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Cougardaville Moderator


Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 2230 Location: New York
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:17 pm Post subject: They deserve a chance to live…don’t they? July22, 2009 |
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They deserve a chance to live…don’t they?
Steve Mohr, President USP
Another fawning season has come and gone for the whitetail deer of Pennsylvania. For most of us, hunters and non hunters alike, just seeing all of the newborn wildlife gives us a refreshing feeling.
Coupled with this population boom, comes thousands of phone calls and emails reporting lost or abandoned wildlife. A helpless whitetail fawn will melt the hearts of young and old alike. With over two hundred white spots and big innocent eyes, most folks cannot resist the temptation to help them and most abandoned fawns will end up going home with the rescuer. In most cases, these fawns are not lost or abandoned. Mom is usually within sight, hearing and scent distance. She stays away to simply draw predators away from the fawns’ location.
Once these fawns are picked up and removed from their natural environment, their lives will have changed forever. Only after these fawns are picked up, does the Good Samaritan begin to ask questions. “What do I feed it? How do I take care of it? Who do I call?” After a lengthy time of debate, a phone call is usually made. The call will go to the Police, directly to the Pennsylvania Game Commission (PGC) or perhaps a Wildlife Rehabilitation Center.
In the densely populated region of South East PA, many of these fawns will end up at a licensed rehab center. These rehab centers are not funded by the PGC. They are usually staffed by dedicated volunteers and depend on donations to help meet their financial needs.
Upon arrival at the rehab centers, the fawns are given the best, dedicated and mindful care possible. The length of stay often depends upon the availability of space at the facility. Some rehab centers can hold 20 or more newborn fawns at any given time.
When it is time to move on, the call will be made to the PGC dispatcher. The dispatcher will inform the local Wildlife Conservation Officer (WCO) to prepare for arrangements to pick up these fawns. The WCO will call the facility and arrange for the pick up in preparation for release back into the wild. Many WCO’s have relayed to me that this is not “…not their favorite detail.”
The WCO will arrive at the facility with enough crates, cages, boxes, etc, to transport the fawns to a location suitable for release. I’ve also had WCO’s tell me that multiple trips had to be made to pick up the fawns. After thanking the rehab facility leadership and its staff for their time and dedication, the WCO will then proceed to the site of release. With the nervous, big eyed passengers in tow, they all arrive at a somewhat remote
location. At this final location, one by one all of the fawns are removed from the vehicle and KILLED.
In the South East, the means of death is most often DEATH BY CLUBBING. I had one WCO tell me that CLUBBING was the easiest and quietest. He had said “All I have to do is bend over and hold out my thumb. When they reach out for what they think is a bottle, I whack them on the head with a hammer handle. Then I throw them over a bank or a pit.”
Folks, if you are not furious, sick in the stomach, teary eyed or feeling helpless, you had best check if you still have a pulse. No, it is not a favorite task of the WCO. Every year, hundreds, if not thousands of fawns, meet their fate at the hands of the PGC. This is all simply because a past PGC Executive Director made a policy that all fawns taken from the wild will be killed. There are other options.
Where is the public outcry? Every year, on a global level, people protest the clubbing of seals. Why does Pennsylvania accept the clubbing of the fawns…or commonly referred to as Bambi?
Blue Sky, Steve
Clubbing Baby Seals http://www.spike.com/video/clubbing-baby-seals/2667866
Seal Clubbing http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Seal_Clubbing
Deer Clubbing http://www.texasmonthly.com/2008-08-01/webextra2.php
Past Pennsylvania Game Commission Executive Director’s Fawn Killing Policy http://... Coming Soon
To Stop the PA Game Commission
Fawn Killing Policy
Please CONTACT Governor Edward G. Rendell's Office to STOP this HEINOUS WILDLIFE ABUSE
Phone: (717) 787-2500 http://www.governor.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/contact/2998
Join the FIGHT, Send Donations to Unified Sportsmen of Pennsylvania
Unified Sportsmen of PA
260 Orchard View Dr.
Leola, PA 17540
http://gousp.org _________________ Seven years of dedication Studying "Cougars" taking sighting reports, Tracking & Filming the wild! Then ...enjoying Horses!
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Cougardaville Moderator


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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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Once again I am totally sickened by the heartless, pathetic, useless laws and rules of the Pennsylvania Game Commission -PGC.
Thank you President Steve Mohr and the diligent work of the USP for bringing this story to the front line.
"I personally, am as furious as I am heartbroken reading this I have to admit I have heard of this policy executed by the PGC but chose not to believe this would be true or even possible in the United States Of America-USA"
My suggestion is a visit to the governors office, not a letter but thousands of breathing, living, pissed off outraged Americans at his door.
Lets set the date...
Cougardaville _________________ Seven years of dedication Studying "Cougars" taking sighting reports, Tracking & Filming the wild! Then ...enjoying Horses! |
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Cougardaville Moderator


Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 2230 Location: New York
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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PaGuy....would you please take some of your beautiful deer & fawn pictures and post them here
If you need help send them to me Let's remind people of the beauty of a deer and fawn
Cougardaville _________________ Seven years of dedication Studying "Cougars" taking sighting reports, Tracking & Filming the wild! Then ...enjoying Horses! |
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bbones Expert Guide
Joined: 21 Jul 2005 Posts: 647 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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That is dispicable, sickening and outrageous.
Why isn't PETA (ha!) screaming their heads off? _________________ "Those who hear not the music,
Think the dancers mad." |
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Bloodhounds Expert Guide

Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 512 Location: Eastern NY
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:39 am Post subject: |
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At least in NY state they let the fawns go.
Unless they want to do extra testing on them for wasting disease. Then they kill them here too but by injection.
I know a certified person and it is not hard to release fawns. They raise them out in the woods where they get no contact with people. They get fed from behind a screen too. Once they are big enough the gate is left open so the fawns can go out and be deer but they come back for their bottles. Then one day they just don't come back. Not hard and the deer stay very wild this way. _________________ Tracking down the truth,
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Cougardaville Moderator


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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:46 am Post subject: |
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Who would kill this? PGC, that's who
Bambi is everyone's friend, except PGC
Take care of your baby mom, if not PGC will kill it  _________________ Seven years of dedication Studying "Cougars" taking sighting reports, Tracking & Filming the wild! Then ...enjoying Horses! |
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| Bloodhounds wrote: |
At least in NY state they let the fawns go.
Unless they want to do extra testing on them for wasting disease. Then they kill them here too but by injection.
I know a certified person and it is not hard to release fawns. They raise them out in the woods where they get no contact with people. They get fed from behind a screen too. Once they are big enough the gate is left open so the fawns can go out and be deer but they come back for their bottles. Then one day they just don't come back. Not hard and the deer stay very wild this way. |
YEAH NYS
Deer are very smart....they don't need to be killed to get the message, that's PGC's way  _________________ Seven years of dedication Studying "Cougars" taking sighting reports, Tracking & Filming the wild! Then ...enjoying Horses! |
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Cougardaville Moderator


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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:49 am Post subject: |
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PaGuy....would you please take some of your beautiful deer & fawn pictures and post them here
If you need help send them to me Let's remind people of the beauty of a deer and fawn
Cougardaville |
Thanks PaGuy I can always count on you  _________________ Seven years of dedication Studying "Cougars" taking sighting reports, Tracking & Filming the wild! Then ...enjoying Horses! |
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Cougardaville Moderator


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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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Please send the link of this thread to all the animal loving Americans you can
Many don't speak here but E-mail me, please let me know where you have posted the thread...it is your duty to spread the word
Cougardaville _________________ Seven years of dedication Studying "Cougars" taking sighting reports, Tracking & Filming the wild! Then ...enjoying Horses! |
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PaGuy Expert Guide

Joined: 21 Feb 2007 Posts: 126 Location: Benton, PA
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Only glad I could help a little, Cougardaville.
They can bring every one of them here to my place. |
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Bearman58 Expert Guide
Joined: 09 Dec 2007 Posts: 127 Location: Western New York
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:13 am Post subject: |
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Time for a confession-As long as I have been doing this, there is still nothing that gets to me like a fawn. When I am handed one, I fall apart-now, that may be an emotional, anthropomorphic response, but so what!? I think we may be all judged someday by how we treated the least of creatures, and these bastards will be judged harshly By the way, NY used to do this to all baby orphans-but they realized that letting people rehab and release made much better PR sense! _________________ What people believe is seldom the truth, and when faced with the truth, we seldom believe it. |
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Bloodhounds Expert Guide

Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 512 Location: Eastern NY
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:10 am Post subject: |
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Thirty some years ago NYS used to raise the fawns using state workers. They kept them in pens over at 5 Rivers. Maybe that is why Delmar has so many deer  _________________ Tracking down the truth,
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bbones Expert Guide
Joined: 21 Jul 2005 Posts: 647 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:24 am Post subject: |
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There's so many deer here this year...It's like driving in Manhattan.
It breaks my heart to see tiny, little fawns dead along the roads. If too many deer are the problem then why not have a longer or added hunting season?
I cant imagine what kind of person could kill baby deer. Too stand there at point-blank range and just kill them. They must be really sick puppies to be able to do that. I can't imagine the mentality it takes to club a baby to death.
It's chilling................. _________________ "Those who hear not the music,
Think the dancers mad." |
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Cougardaville Moderator


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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Bearman58 wrote: |
Time for a confession-As long as I have been doing this, there is still nothing that gets to me like a fawn. When I am handed one, I fall apart-now, that may be an emotional, anthropomorphic response, but so what!? I think we may be all judged someday by how we treated the least of creatures, and these bastards will be judged harshly By the way, NY used to do this to all baby orphans-but they realized that letting people rehab and release made much better PR sense! |
You are an experts, your response is exactly what I would expect to hear.
Thank you...and keep up the great work
Cougardaville _________________ Seven years of dedication Studying "Cougars" taking sighting reports, Tracking & Filming the wild! Then ...enjoying Horses! |
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