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Bloodhounds · Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject: fresh pictures

I pulled a camera this evening and found it had been busy with deer and turkeys but one day this one went by.

second shot

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Cougardaville · Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:42 pm Post subject:

Grrrrrrrrrrr.....they are back here too, they have been gone all summer until this past week Evil or Very Mad

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Black_Wolf · Expert Guide Joined: 17 Jul 2010 Posts: 28

Great pics!

He/she looks healthy and has a good coat.

I would love to have it made into a nice hat! Laughing

Is this on your property and you would like some of them gone?

You can never get all of them, just to let you guys know.

They are like roaches and are survivors.

You can kill alot of them and put the pressure on to get them to move elsewhere when they know an area is a kill zone for them.

They are VERY smart but not unbeatable.
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Cougardaville · Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:54 pm Post subject:

READ THIS!!!

http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/species/mammals/northern_Rocky_Mountains_gray_wolf/pdfs/GrayWolfNationalRecoveryPlanAPAPetition.pdf

Just what we NEVER need to see happen Rolling Eyes

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Bloodhounds · Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:12 am Post subject:

They keep at it. Evil or Very Mad

The last time they had it before a Judge, the ruling was the Northeast was not to be included. Because there are things going on here. The Red and Tweed wolves were/are present and Grey wolves are NOT really native here.
I think the wolf/coytes are doing a fine job of eating the white tail deer herd around here and so do the NYS biologists last I knew. The only places there are too many deer are where there are housing developements. Last I knew, Suburban families would not like large grey wolves eating deer on the lawn with a dog snack after.

Leave Nature alone and she will fix problems. Exclamation

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Black_Wolf · Expert Guide Joined: 17 Jul 2010 Posts: 28

Yes, I'm aware of that.

Doubt it will ever happen...
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Bearman58 · Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:59 pm Post subject:

Ours never leave because I feed them left overs from my cougar and serval meals. In the winter they let me close enough to watch them play with the hides in my back pasture, but I rarely get to see the little ones. Glad to see the results of their prey survey-apparently they are really doing a good job in culling fawns in the spring while they have pups.
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Cougardaville · Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 12:29 pm Post subject:

Black_Wolf · Expert Guide Joined: 17 Jul 2010 Posts: 28

I didnt say nothing because I'm pretty much bullet proof and it takes alot to rile me.

I look at it like this.....

There are idiots abound esp in this day and age, just ignore them and they will get theirs.

Stupid people always pay for being stupid in one way or another.
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PaGuy · Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:08 pm Post subject:

Bloodhounds · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:41 am Post subject:

Now if he only has those cute little western type coyotes that weigh only 25 to 30 pounds then feeding them doesn't hurt much. Glad I don't live near him. I hope his neighbors keep a loaded rifle handy.
But I don't have many of those here. They get eaten/displaced by the large coy/wolves that do live here. Rarely do I see one less than 45 pounds and many are much larger.
Neighbors have had trouble with being stalked and threatened by some. One was so agressive it followed a person around growling at him. This was not a den area or a den time of year.
Recently several children have been bitten by healthy coyotes in southern NYS.

Habituated predators are NO fun at all.
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bbones · Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 1:27 pm Post subject:

Bearman58 · Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 4:39 am Post subject:

As to being habituated, they were already following the neighbors tractor while he mows his hay-they are after the mice. They follow at about 20 feet until he stops the tractor, and they melt away. Now, I have to laugh when you say they are 'harming' our deer population-isn't that the point? With the precipitous decline in the number of hunters as our generation passes, humans won't be able to do it. First of all, predators don't control prey populations-disease and starvation do. If you do a little research, you will see that that idea was debunked in the 1960's. Predator numbers are affected by prey population fluctuations(see Lynx/snowshoe hare population dynamics for a good example).
In the 20 years that we have been dumping carcasses ( a normal farm practice) there have been NO reports of anyone even being approached by coyotes in our area-it has made the vultures very bold however. A local dairy farmer has to shoo them out of the way when he makes his weekly drop of culls!
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Black_Wolf · Expert Guide Joined: 17 Jul 2010 Posts: 28

Ok, tell that to the native bird population (or whats left of them) in Australia after the feral housecats got done with em.

Predators do not control game populations? Where they getting their food then, Burger King? Rolling Eyes

Utter rubbish.

Sounds like info pulled from snopes. Lies.
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Bearman58 · Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:37 am Post subject:

That example only highlights your ignorance of the issue. Feral housecats on an island devoid of placental predators for millions of years has nothing to do with a native predator on the American continent. And the fact that predators eat other animals does not mean they control their population-they simply survive on it. As I said before, read the science. No one is interested in an un-informed opinion.
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